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I have a copy of the entire works of Homer,with Latin translation, edited by Samuel Clarke and published in Glasgow in 1814;I've never seen it anywhere else, and assume it must be in the public domain. The Latin translation is quite simple, and a great help in reading the Greek. It occurs to me that this might be interesting to other people who want to read Homer in the original, and I could read the Greek and Latin alternately, line by line, or book by book, or Odyssey by Odyssey, Iliad by Iliad - it would [I hope] be a useful study-aid rather than a work of art - has anyone any comments/suggestions/sage advice ? Hefyd

Caeristhiona · Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject:

Oooh.

You should know better than to post this kind of thing in a forum I check regularly. I'm like a Pavlov's dog. A Pavlov's classics-sniffing dog.

I would NOT alternate between the Greek and Latin in the recording. I would do one and then the other -- but maybe set up the file names so that the reader could easily choose which was which.

I would do this with you if we could find some way to get the same translation...or I guess I could do the Greek. Or I could MC for you (since God knows I have more projects than...well, God himself. Maybe I should just take a hint from him and do 6 days of crazy recordings followed by never doing anything ever again.)
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Cloud Mountain · Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject:

I'm impressed. This would be wonderful. I'd be very happy to see/hear either, once PD has been established.

(BTW: this Forum is not for discussion about what you might do, it's for setting up a project that you are ready to do, with all of its details. The top post would display all of the info as necessary to begin a project. Read further: http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=717 ) Very Happy

hefyd · Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: Homer in Latin and Greek

Hi and thanks for the encouragement. Yes, I appreciate that PD status is vital -[for the translation only I presume]-how could we verify this ? I would be happy to share this project, and in fact I'd prefer to do so. I have already put some of the text on my own computer [no other way than typing it in I spose, since scanning would wreck the books] and would send them to you, Caeristhiona, and of course anyone else who was interested. Here are a few lines :

Ἰλιάδος Αʹ

Iram cane, Dea, Pelidae Achillis
perniciosam, quae plurimos Achivis dolores fecit
multasque fortes animas orco praemature misit
heroum, ipsosque praedam discerpendam fecit canibus
alitibusque omnibus: Iovis autem perficiebatur consilium
ex quo utique primum disiuncti sunt litigantes
Atridesque, rex virorum, et nobilis Achilles
et quisnam igitur eos deorum, contentione commisit, ut pugnarent ?

I could paste the whole thing here [once I've typed it into the computer] but would that clog the forum?

As you will see, it's not in hexameters, but simply line by line and word for word - that is what, I think, makes it so useful. Everything is included, the Iliad, the Odyssey, all the hymns and even the Batrachomyomachia, and a lot of other material as well.I doubt that I have the only copy, but there won't be many left, and I'd like to give it a new, and hopefully very long, life in cyberspace. Perhaps, as long as PD status is ok, we should do the Latin first. Hefyd

Cori · Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject:

It takes some experimentation, and much lighting, but it is possible to get halfway decent photographs of bookpages using a digital camera. I can hunt up some more references and experience (not my own), if that's an avenue to take.
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hefyd · Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: Homer in Latin

Hi Cori -Brilliant !! Yes -I'll try it, and I bet it'll work.Thanks for saving me weeks of tedium ! Is there anywhere on the Librivox site where photo's can be posted ? Hefyd

kayray · Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject:

You can upload anything to http://mediafire.com/ , then post the resulting link here.
Or you could use http://flickr.com/ .
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hefyd · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: Homer in Latin

Rowen · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject:

It would probably be easier to put all the pictures into something like a Zip file and then upload that to Mediafire, then all the pages are together in one file and a person doesn't have to click on lots of different download links.
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Robert Marquardt · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 80 Location: Germany

You should make this book available to Distributed Proofreaders.

hefyd · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the tip about Distributed Proofreaders - that may be a way forward, and I'll look at it. The digital photo's are good and clear, and you can zoom on doubtful words. The 'books' of the Odyssey and the Iliad [24 in each case, since there are 24 letters in the Greek alphabet] are of unequal length, but so far each book is working out at about 40 photo's, and about 660 KB per photo, or something like 25MB per book. Taking the photo's is easy - I did five books in about half an hour this morning - but to send just the Iliad and the Odyssey via mediafire, which can only deal with individual files, and not whole folders, will need 1,920 individual links, which will not be very practicable to use -any ideas ? Hefyd Confused

kayray · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject:

Take all your photos and zip them into one big file, which will probably be too big for mediafire -- don't know what their limit is.

Find someone to host the .zip -- archive.org?
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jimmowatt · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject:

http://www.divshare.com/
might be the one to put it on
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hefyd · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject: Homer in Latin

Well, the problem was that you can upload files to Mediafire and not folders, so it was necessary to reduce the contents of the folder to one file. I expect there are other ways of doing this, but I've inserted all the photo's of Iliad 1 into a word document, one to a page, and thereby created a single file for the whole thing. This seems to have uploaded ok - here is the link :

http://www.mediafire.com/?cmmntan1jda

If this downloads ok, I'll be able to upload the whole book without much difficulty, and providing we can resolve PD issues, which I spose is a bit of an if, we'll be able to read it and so en avant ! Hefyd[/i]

Caeristhiona · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:44 am Post subject:

As far as public domain goes, this is very easy to resolve.

For one thing, the fact that it was published in 1814 makes me think it's probably PD. Smile

For another, if there is any question you can just scan the copyright page and our resident PD expert (Betsie) can do a quick check for us.

As far as reading goes, it should be fine. Another hosting option is GoogleDocs, which is being used by a few massive projects right now.
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