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	<title>Comments on: Proof-Listening</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://librivox.org/2008/10/22/proof-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-247498</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Librivox,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Librivox,</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://librivox.org/2008/10/22/proof-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-247004</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Daniel,

I&#039;ve been listening to JD Weber&#039;s reading of the Burroughs &quot;John Carter of Mars&quot; books. While I can get used to hearing the standard North American pronunciation of many words (that I pronounce differently, being from New Zealand), it&#039;s driving me nuts to hear words pronounced so badly that I can&#039;t help thinking that the reader has never actually heard them spoken before.

Three examples:

&quot;chasm&quot; pronounced with a &quot;ch&quot; as in chocolate ( i.e. /chāz&#039;əm/rather than /kāz&#039;əm/ )
&quot;malevolently&quot; pronounced without the &quot;ol&quot; in the middle ( i.e. /mə-lä-vənt-lē/ rather than /?mə-lěv&#039;ə-lənt-lē/ )
&quot;escape&quot; pronounced with an &quot;x&quot; like the way some people pronounce &quot;espresso&quot; ( i.e. /ěkskāp&#039;/ rather than /ĭ-skāp&#039;/)

There are others, but I have not been keeping note. Those are just three that I couldn&#039;t forget.

I don&#039;t know what process the readers go through, but I would happily take notes and give feedback whenever I have listened to a recording. Maybe if the readers were willing they could simply commit to re-recording sections at some time in the future? Maybe a forum or wikiwiki for those  recordings that have been flagged as open to constructive criticism could be generated and listeners could log words (and time-stamps) for review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Daniel,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been listening to JD Weber&#8217;s reading of the Burroughs &#8220;John Carter of Mars&#8221; books. While I can get used to hearing the standard North American pronunciation of many words (that I pronounce differently, being from New Zealand), it&#8217;s driving me nuts to hear words pronounced so badly that I can&#8217;t help thinking that the reader has never actually heard them spoken before.</p>
<p>Three examples:</p>
<p>&#8220;chasm&#8221; pronounced with a &#8220;ch&#8221; as in chocolate ( i.e. /chāz&#8217;əm/rather than /kāz&#8217;əm/ )<br />
&#8220;malevolently&#8221; pronounced without the &#8220;ol&#8221; in the middle ( i.e. /mə-lä-vənt-lē/ rather than /?mə-lěv&#8217;ə-lənt-lē/ )<br />
&#8220;escape&#8221; pronounced with an &#8220;x&#8221; like the way some people pronounce &#8220;espresso&#8221; ( i.e. /ěkskāp&#8217;/ rather than /ĭ-skāp&#8217;/)</p>
<p>There are others, but I have not been keeping note. Those are just three that I couldn&#8217;t forget.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what process the readers go through, but I would happily take notes and give feedback whenever I have listened to a recording. Maybe if the readers were willing they could simply commit to re-recording sections at some time in the future? Maybe a forum or wikiwiki for those  recordings that have been flagged as open to constructive criticism could be generated and listeners could log words (and time-stamps) for review.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh</title>
		<link>http://librivox.org/2008/10/22/proof-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-244070</link>
		<dc:creator>hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daniel, 

We have a sort of informal way for people to register their interest in getting feedback, but I agree we should try to integrate something like your idea into the system...making it happen, however, is another thing altogether.

But we could just try to make it more known that proof-listening *can* have two different streams, the &quot;just the tech issues&quot; stream, and the &quot;constructive criticism stream.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daniel, </p>
<p>We have a sort of informal way for people to register their interest in getting feedback, but I agree we should try to integrate something like your idea into the system&#8230;making it happen, however, is another thing altogether.</p>
<p>But we could just try to make it more known that proof-listening *can* have two different streams, the &#8220;just the tech issues&#8221; stream, and the &#8220;constructive criticism stream.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://librivox.org/2008/10/22/proof-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-243333</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Librivox maintainers,

First of all...this is an excellent site, idea, etc., and thank you so much for taking the time to host it, and inject the public domain with new material (during a time in which the public domain is shrinking).  There is only one issue I take, and I would ask that you read this in full, since I offer some constructive advice towards the bottom.

Why not pronunciation?  If proof listening is a valid way of contributing....

Look, if a word is pronounced incorrectly, that&#039;s not subjective, but entirely objective.  There are correct and incorrect ways to pronounce a word.  Even if you look at &#039;enunciation&#039; as being subjective, the latter remains true.

There are long and short vowel sounds, hard and soft consonents, and dictionaries will show you the correct way: most of them online today will even give you an audio file with someone pronouncing it correctly.  The reader is almost without excuse.

Compare this word:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homage

To it&#039;s pronunciation in Michael Sample&#039;s recording of Dagon, please, and you&#039;ll see what I mean.

Now, before I conclude, I understand that you are in no way responsible for the quality or works produced by your readers, and not only that, but that by criticizing them you discourage involvement. 

I have a solution.  When the reader registers for an account, give him/her the option of deciding whether or not he/she wants feedback from proofreaders regarding either objective things (such as pronunciation), and possibly even subjective things (such as interpretation).  There are people out there who don&#039;t want to be bothered, and that&#039;s fine, but there are also people who are looking for ways to improve, and in general it&#039;s going to be those people who will cause the quality of the submitted works to soar!

Best of luck to this excellent project!

-Daniel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Librivox maintainers,</p>
<p>First of all&#8230;this is an excellent site, idea, etc., and thank you so much for taking the time to host it, and inject the public domain with new material (during a time in which the public domain is shrinking).  There is only one issue I take, and I would ask that you read this in full, since I offer some constructive advice towards the bottom.</p>
<p>Why not pronunciation?  If proof listening is a valid way of contributing&#8230;.</p>
<p>Look, if a word is pronounced incorrectly, that&#8217;s not subjective, but entirely objective.  There are correct and incorrect ways to pronounce a word.  Even if you look at &#8216;enunciation&#8217; as being subjective, the latter remains true.</p>
<p>There are long and short vowel sounds, hard and soft consonents, and dictionaries will show you the correct way: most of them online today will even give you an audio file with someone pronouncing it correctly.  The reader is almost without excuse.</p>
<p>Compare this word:</p>
<p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homage" rel="nofollow">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homage</a></p>
<p>To it&#8217;s pronunciation in Michael Sample&#8217;s recording of Dagon, please, and you&#8217;ll see what I mean.</p>
<p>Now, before I conclude, I understand that you are in no way responsible for the quality or works produced by your readers, and not only that, but that by criticizing them you discourage involvement. </p>
<p>I have a solution.  When the reader registers for an account, give him/her the option of deciding whether or not he/she wants feedback from proofreaders regarding either objective things (such as pronunciation), and possibly even subjective things (such as interpretation).  There are people out there who don&#8217;t want to be bothered, and that&#8217;s fine, but there are also people who are looking for ways to improve, and in general it&#8217;s going to be those people who will cause the quality of the submitted works to soar!</p>
<p>Best of luck to this excellent project!</p>
<p>-Daniel</p>
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